Unbelievable, does anyone else remember the series of watchtowers on bab the great, the wild beast and the image of the wild beast back in the spring of 1989? Or the way the UN is portrayed in the revelation book? I preached that garbage to people, little did i know. What makes this religion so repulsive is the dogmatic insistence of obediance to rules they aren't willing to follow themselves. God forbid, you question them or they won't hesitate to cut you off as one 'loving' elder said of my df'ed mom 'cut her off like a rotten limb'. If they were in bed with the UN for nearly a decade how dare they df the r&f for lesser offenses and still claim to be the 'truth' when lies come so easily to them. The gb have a lot to answer for.
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Wow that UN scandal really DOES work wonders
by osmosis ini'm totally amazed.
i gave that un report to my (hardcore jw to the extreme max, but in a nice way) aunt, and she didn't speak of it for several days.
when she said nothing, i knew i'd gotten somewhere.. today she finally spoke up.
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Where were you when the realization hit, that the WTS was not in the truth?
by whyizit ini was listening to a testimonial by valerie acuff and she said that she was sitting in an assembly, looking around at the crowd and thinking to herself, "this is your family, these are your people.".
she said at that moment she heard a voice inside say, "these are not your people, this is not your family, get up and leave now, and don't ever go back.
" so she took her two children at that very moment and left, and she never went back.
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I'll never forget it. I was sitting in the hall during the air and sea show. The Blue Angel jets were screaming overhead and would drown out some of the talk so the brother would pause for the jets then speak. Well i couldn't stop listening out for the jets and wishing I could see them. I had the odd thought that i wish i could fly away from here, from these people. After the meeting, as I walked out, a voice inside my head said, 'never again, don't ever come back here again, it's over, you're free.' It was a gorgeous day, I looked up and saw the jets in formation and i felt exhilarated as if a heavy load had been lifted. That was 3 years ago. There's been pain and family drama as a result but there's just no going back. I'm a Christian now and happier than I've ever been. God bless - V Sky
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Had a nice surprise today
by fullofdoubtnow ini had a phone call today from an old friend and, to be honest, it was one i had been dreading.
the lady in question used to be my pioneer partner, we got baptised on the same day, march 26th 1983, and started pioneering at the same time, and have been friends for well over 20 years.. a few years ago yvonne and her husband steve left derby and moved to south wales, but we have kept in touch, and i have visited them on several occasions, but haven't told them that i am no longer a jw, so when i got the call today i thought she was ringing me about our baptism anniversary, which would have been this sunday.
she had tried ringing my old number, which i am no longer on, and decided to try my mobile.
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I'm so happy for you! I have two really close friends that I've had since my teens, I miss them a lot, they know I'm inactive but they don't know I'm a christian now, I'm kind of dreading that conversation. Great news for you though and have fun this weekend!
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mother and sister in law ask if we believe it's the 'truth'?
by Victorian sky init was awful.
they knew my husband (primitive genius) and i were inactive for years both when we were single and married but they didn't know we were christians now.
they suspected and finally asked us during a recent visit whether or not we believe the org is the 'truth'?
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thank you, everyone, for your kind words of support, very encouraging. We're determined to be ourselves and to help any JW leave the org especially our families. The best 'sermon' would be to lead a good life and to be happy, they just don't see how that's possible without their precious screwed up religion. I'm praying for a loving resolution, especially for primitive since I don't want him to lose them, but it's their choice. We have faith that God will work all things out for our good and theirs. Thanks again!
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mother and sister in law ask if we believe it's the 'truth'?
by Victorian sky init was awful.
they knew my husband (primitive genius) and i were inactive for years both when we were single and married but they didn't know we were christians now.
they suspected and finally asked us during a recent visit whether or not we believe the org is the 'truth'?
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It was awful. They knew my husband (primitive genius) and I were inactive for years both when we were single and married but they didn't know we were Christians now. They suspected and finally asked us during a recent visit whether or not we believe the org is the 'truth'? Primitive asked them if they really want the answer to that question? They said yes. He said 'no it's not the truth'. They wanted to know if we go to a church? We said yes. It's been a crap storm ever since. In a nut shell, they accused us of being apostates, of disassociating ourselves (even though we'd never write a letter or sit before a JC, no longer bound by their rules) They wanted to know what the church had that the 'truth' doesn't? We told them, um Love! That didn't go over too well. We didn't know what to say except that we're closer to Jehovah now than we ever were as JWs and we're happy, we know we're loved and approved of by God. My sister-in-law was furious, she didn't say much except that our family ties may be severed, I said why would you allow a religion to dictate to you how to treat your family? We then got into the whole d'fing 'arrangement'. Mom said it's loving. I told her it's one of the most cruel, ruthless, unloving things about JWs. She quoted the usual verses, I said, I don't know what they mean but I know that the words disfellowship, disassociate and judicial committee don't appear in the bible at all nor is there a record of Jesus df'ing or shunning anyone. They didn't have a reply for that. We then asked them if the Bible told them one thing and the watchtower told them something else which would they obey? They couldn't answer the question! Mom was emotional, cried a lot. I felt sick because I know how much my husband loves his family and I don't want him to lose them. His dad is p.o. in his home cong so it could get nasty. They haven't spoke to us since and it's been 2 days. Primitive goes from angry to sad, but we're praying for them. I told him to give them time, this is hard for them too because they don't understand what the org really is. Mom said she'd do some research of her own, we can only hope. I don't want them to shun him and hurt him that way but it's up to them, sad thing is, God's not asking this of them, a harsh man made religion is. Hope they listen to their heart, conscience and humanity - things the gb seeks to control at all times.
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my mom and my sister came to visit....
by theinfamousone innow in case you're wondering why this is such a big deal and why the tears are streaming down my face right now, feel free to look at my story as i like to call it.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/101870/1758191/post.ashx#1758191.
so i think it was thursday i decided to make a huge pot of my little sisters favorite soup for her... when i went to drop it off at their house, well, they werent home, so i left it there with a note just saying hi to her and my mom, and that i miss them and love them... which is probably a shot at my dad who, well you know what i think of him.... i was quite perturbed because i did not receive a phone call or anything to acknowledge that they had received it... so i was a little worried that my father had found it and ripped up my note and thown the soup away... i know it sounds stupid, but i made the soup for my sister, and i mean, i guess it was just to show her how much she means to me... i guess i could have bought her some kind of present, but i dunno, making something seemed right at the time..... so anyways, finally today i get home from school and find a note under my door... they had both come to visit and they left me a note... well my mom wrote a quick note saying they had visited and were sorry they missed me and thanks so much for the soup and for bringing it to them and showing that i do miss them.... she wishes she had been able to see me... my sister wrote me a letter, and left it under my door as well... she wrote on the enveloppe she wanted to give it to me, but was sad she couldnt see me... she says shell call.... this wouldnt be such a big deal, but its the first contact ive had with her in three months or so... i mean, ive called and left messages, but i dont know if any of them even get to her... this little girl means the world to me... and i havent been able to see her in months.... it isnt fair.... so here i am sitting by the phone, thinking of calling in sick to work, just so i can speak to her, i dont want to miss her call... .
i feel so alone right now, and i just dont know.... im pathetic i know, but i miss her so much..... the infamous one
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Sorry message from primitive is from Victorian sky, forgot he was logged on when i posted!
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I was kinda down and out today....
by IronClaw inso i went for a ride and stopped by this scenic overlook not to far from my house.
i sat on the bench there just looking at the mohawk valley at its best.
i started thinking what a waste life is when you don't have anyone to share beautiful moments like this with.
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CLAW: I'm so sorry. Thanks for sharing the lyrics, it's a beautiful song. I empathize about your wife. I wonder what's going on with her? When my mom was d'fed, an elder told me that I have to take a stand and choose between mom and Jehovah. Who do I love more? I'm just thinking, she must be under tremendous pressure to treat you like crap. Also, because JWs don't know what true love is, her 'friends' may treat her differently too. I hope you two can work things out. If not, I pray you heal and move on because there are good women out there who will love you no matter what. Don't lose hope. God bless - V Sky
HAPPY DADDY: I'm really sorry about your wife too. I pray you'll meet someone wonderful.
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As a JW how do/did you feel about 6 billion people being destroyed?
by jwfacts inhow else can a person justify that jehovah will destroy 6 billion people, innocent children included?
i could never accept that i deserved salvation whereas almost no one else did.
it put me on permanent spiritual edge because i thought the slave is right so the doctrine of destruction must be, but my heart always knew it was wrong.
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SCOUT: I don't know what you've been through and unlike the JW I used to be, I'm not going to judge you for it. You referred to Jesus as a bloodthirsty warrior - that's really sad. You forgot the hundreds of scriptures that refer to God's love, mercy and compassion. ("And may you have the power to understand, as all God's people should, how wide, how long, how high, and how deep his love is. May you experience the love of Christ though it is too great to understand fully." - Ephesians 3:18-19) That's the Jesus I know and love. When I was a JW I had a warped relationship with God. I was the servant who couldn't please him no matter how hard I tried and he was my future executioner unless I did more, more, more. You mentioned disfellowshipping and shunning as tame, were you serious? Do you know how many families and lives are ripped apart? I'm not d'fed or d'ad, I'm just free and I'm so grateful, how can i not thank God?
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As a JW how do/did you feel about 6 billion people being destroyed?
by jwfacts inhow else can a person justify that jehovah will destroy 6 billion people, innocent children included?
i could never accept that i deserved salvation whereas almost no one else did.
it put me on permanent spiritual edge because i thought the slave is right so the doctrine of destruction must be, but my heart always knew it was wrong.
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DOZY - For your info, I am a born again Christian and no, I don't believe that God will roast people forever, not the God I know and love, even if some people (Oh, like the freakin' guv body) need to be barbequed extra crispy but that's not for me or any human to decide. God is in control and I trust him. I think it's arrogant for us to think we know 100% what will happen. As a JW I didn't believe Jehovah would wipe out the majority of the earth's population, it made no sense to me. I thought it was sick how 'happy' 'the friends' got when tragic things happened on the news. For example, after 9/11, had a JW say, 'Well look on the bright side, at least they have a hope of a ressurection and they won't die now at Armageddon!' And they call themselves loving? Their hope of paradise is directly linked to the eternal destruction of billions - what a sick, twisted, warped organization. I thank God everyday that I'm free.
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Intensely lonely
by Cabin in the woods innormally i am fine but a glass and a half of wine and my heart is breaking.
the irony of it is is that i was as lonely as this in the congregation.. i feel overwhelmed with life and never seem to get anywhere or get anything done.
god, i sound pitiful.
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Hi Mary, I'm sorry you're feeling loney, I think everyone here knows how painful that is, losing people we thought were life long friends. For such 'loving' people it's amazing how quick JWs leave years of friendship and never look back. That's not your fault, it's their loss. Now you have us. So write anytime. Your cabin sounds wonderful. I love the Bed and Breakfast idea, you'd meet all kinds of people and make money at the same time. Just curious, what is it about Alaska that appeals to you? I'd like to go on a cruise there to see the whales. Anyway, you're not alone, we care and so does God.